every year we have a trillion dollar or more deficit. when we're talking about $800 billion in taxes over ten years, that's only a few days of spending every year. if we're going to talk about taxes -- i'm willing to discuss taxes and a lot of others are willing to discuss tax, then let's talk seriously about taxes. if we're going to talk about spending cuts, let's talk seriously about spending cuts. but we're not going to take care of this $16 trillion debt unless we do that. >> people have described what's happening in the gop as sort of a civil war. you have the tea party, sort of mainstream conservatives and then moderates, those that remain. and then there have been sort of calls, to fire, to get rid of john boehner. do you think that's going to happen? would you support that? >> well, i think there's a lot of unease in the conference. there's a lot of unrest at all levels. tea party versus moderate versus mainstream theme. people like me are out there, calling for reductions in pentagon spending, calling for working with the democr